Update on Hi-Point CF380.

I shot it again today. It did well with self defense type shots again, very easy shooter and accurate.

HOWEVER, two times I brought it up from low ready and it did not go bang. The reason? The safety had ridden up and stopped trigger mechanism from working.

This is a huge deal, and you need to be aware of it. It is part of the whole know your firearm deal.

This should be able to be mitigated by placing thumb over safety and keeping it down.

Plus the red fire indicator was still exposed which means the gun is telling you it will go bang. It might not! The safety was ever so slightly raised. It must be ALL THE WAY DOWN OR IT WILL NOT FIRE.

I will revisit this issue at range and advise.

It very well may be a deal breaker.

Defense guns must go bang!

I will do a video or two on this.

Thank you Hi-Point. Your CF-380 fixed my 380 dilemma, mostly.

I don’t need to look at the others much now. Yours gets the job done.

It is too big to conceal though.

But hell, second amendment is gone anyway. So it don’t matter much.

I am not in NRA.

And guns are a pain in my ass.

But they are required at times.

Also, a pain in my ass.

See people, testing these guns costs me money.

And permits cost you money, if you can even get one.

I don’t mess with permits.

Yet, I still look and train as though I do.

I have a .77 best draw.

I still mostly emphasize AVOIDANCE. The whole stay in condition yellow deal.

I live in a world ran by tyrants.

I don’t go around breaking the law.

Police do though.

Gun laws are the real pain. I mean the pain that leads to tears.

Gun laws, kill.

The concealable 380 is a lark in many ways!

It is often too hard for many to shoot it well.

And getting a reliable one if you are poor is damn near impossible.

I suspect the Taurus may be an
Answer for some.

I may test it next as it can be had many times for 180 dollars.

Bottom line for any gun, carry or not, if it don’t work or you don’t work it well, you have wrong one.

It is a crazy world.

I bitch about gun laws because they are dangerous.

I bitch about cops because they enforce the damn gun laws.

I am allowed. It is a damn fool
Dangerous thing to do though.

The Handgun Project must continue.

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Bob Dylan was in a Western.

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I don’t have any aliases.

What you see is what you get. What you miss though too.

Damn Hi-Point CF-380 went and ruined the Handgun Project. There is no real sense in me continuing it. If you can only afford an inexpensive handgun, consider me signed off on the CF-380. Don’t even consider any other inexpensive brand.

I was floored. It shot were I aimed it. It shot flawlessly. It has no real recoil. Hell, I shot it mostly one handed.

It is so easy to shoot it is damn near boring.

My Ruger P95PR made 25 yard head shots a breeze too. It really is sweet.

I also shot two Ravens and my Beretta 21A some.

I had double ear protection as I do at indoor range. Even so, my ears were getting sore from all the rounds going off.

I put probably 250 down range myself and place was packed.

I always recommend double ear pro inside. I generally limit myself to half an hour too inside. But I had a lot of shooting to get in today.

I left with 15 minutes remaining because of my ears. If your ears get sore, leave! That is your body telling you it has had enough!

Folks, this is the grouping from fast self defense type shots. This is not trying to hit the bullseye. This is fast first and Followup shot. This CF-380 is capable.

Folks, this is the grouping from fast self defense type shots. This is not trying to hit the bullseye. This is fast first and Followup shot. This CF-380 is capable. At least half of these I shot one handed. That is no shit

Folks that is dead center of head from 25 yards with a pistol, the P95PR by Ruger. That gun is special and don't let anyone tell you it is not.

Folks that is dead center of head from 25 yards with a pistol, the P95PR by Ruger. That gun is special and don’t let anyone tell you it is not.

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Latest Handgun for Handgun Project is Procured

Hi-Point CF-380, used for $106.49. I paid $107 even, rounded up for kiddies.

Hi-Point CF-380, used for $106.49. I paid $107 even, rounded up for kiddies.


I had a devil of a time deciding which gun to purchase next. In the end, since I am financing this project on my own, I went with a used Hi-Point for $99,99 and government racket fee.

My current collection is up to 10 firearms now. That is super.

Plus, I think this is going to grade out well as a gun for the poor. It has a lifetime warranty and it should function fine. We will find out in not too distant  future.

Plus, I needed to upgrade my CA380. I love that gun, and I have it reliable now by working on it. But most won’t be able to do that. The Hi-Point should prove to be a better choice.

At this price, I can’t lose.

Price is not only reason I chose it. Like I said above, decent quality. Plus I want to compare 380ACP ballistics from 2.8″ and 3.5″ barrels….

Like always, I must break it down and inspect it. I must finish 22/25 set and then I move to the “3” guns, 32, 380 and 9mm.

More than likely, I will be purchasing a 357 Magnum soon too so as to test 357 M and 38 Special.

I almost bought it today but I know it will go on sale. I will get it then.

Not building today really. I mostly just tore down and analyzed data.

Fiocchi FMJ 25 ACP is by far the best performing FMJ load for 25 ACP in a Raven.

Fiocchi FMJ 25 ACP is by far the best performing FMJ load for 25 ACP in a Raven.

I have found data that very well may lead me to reconsider the ranking of my 25 ACP rounds.

The Fiocchi FMJ may have just surpassed the XTP in my ranking.

The XTP still fares better than any other FMJ I have tested thus far. But the Fiocchi FMJ mushroomed and stayed intact while the XTP blew up in my last round of testing.

I didn’t know for sure until I disassembled the latest test bed.

The Fiocchi FMJ penetrated well and deposited a lot of energy per its potential to do so.

This makes me real curious to test the Fiocchi FMJ out of the Phoenix Arms HP25. I just hate all those safeties! They render gun less safe and less practical for defense. But they shoot straight and I bet that round will do real well in it.

This project subpart is real important for recoil sensitive shooters and those who are too poor to train and buy gear.

The best price for Fiocchi FMJ in 25 ACP that I have found is at Buds and 22three.

Get the PPU from aim surplus to use at range only. It is real good as range ammo.

If you can afford to use Fiocchi at range too, do it!

It is always better to train with your intended defense load!

Also, recoil sensitive shooters should know too that the XTP rounds “kick” compared to FMJ. It is something you need to test for yourself.

17-19, with 1 hitting torso and one complete miss. I give myself a failing grade. I can’t miss!

This is exceptional shooting for most. For me it is a failure.

This is exceptional shooting for most. For me it is a failure.

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I was doing double taps with my 22, 25s and 32 from low ready, startered by timer which malfunctioned but for buzzer. I used it to begin shots each pair. Unfortunately, for whatever reason timer did not pick up shots. I was hoping to see the numbers. I was shooting fast. I can’t say for sure how fast with each gun. It was fast though.

With mouse guns I always go for head. Also I disagree with target nomenclature. You want to hit brain stem. Aim for mouth nose area….

This is very good shooting. The miss cannot happen though.

But as you can see, attacking me is a bad idea.

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Range Ammo for people with 25 ACPs

This is not for self defense. This ammo under penetrates and the jacket separates. However, it is perfect for range. It beats the hell out of paying 45 ACP and even 44 Magnum prices 25 ACP. Plus, this is a Butler County, Ohio company. I want to help them out. You know I recommend Hornady XTP, Fiocchi XTP or Fiocchi FMJ for self defense with 25 ACP.

This is not for self defense. This ammo under penetrates and the jacket separates. However, it is perfect for range. It beats the hell out of paying 45 ACP and even 44 Magnum prices for 25 ACP. Plus, this is a Butler County, Ohio company. I want to help them out. You know I recommend Hornady XTP, Fiocchi XTP or Fiocchi FMJ for self defense with 25 ACP. You must practice some with the XTP especially. It will kick. The little round pops!

http://aimsurplus.com

Testing my repaired Raven, tonight or tomorrow

There is a new range closer than the one I used to go to for indoor shooting. It is way closer and has been there for several months.

I should have been by now, keep my money in Butler County. Plus this is a family business, not corporate.

I am a bit “scared.” I have done pretty much all I can think of to get this gun I bought horribly abused right. If this does not work, I only have a couple more things I know to try.

I will let you know.

OK, I went and am back. She ran flawless! She is fixed all the way now.

Flawless, and this Raven is old too, real old. I can tell serial number she is from early 70s.

Flawless, and this Raven is old too, real old. I can tell from serial number she is from early 70s.

A side bonus on all the work I put in to repair this gun is it helped me understand my Cobra CA380 better, and also my Jennings 32 ACP.

The CA380 wears firing pin springs out fast and that causes most of the major malfunctions. I know now to inspect those springs and change them out probably at 200 rounds.

Also I may try to put Jennings firing pin springs in it as they are much stronger. They are the reason Jennings is so hard to charge. I will have to order from Jimenez. The may be less stout though?

Also, the range is half price for me Tuesdays and Thursdays 11A-3P. Bonus!

Nice people, and facility.

 

I just ordered parts for my Raven from Phoenix Arms. I bought what I needed a retainer and striker spring, plus a magazine. I freaking love they still sell Raven parts. And I freaking love Phoenix Arms!

This should get the Raven working flawlessly now. The previous owners abused this gun horribly but I have gave it love.

I still have parts to order for my Jennings 32 and my Cobra CA 380.

Those I will order shortly.

Yes I am watching the futbol match too!

Handgun Project: further analysis of rounds and test beds from session two

Can you identify these rounds? They are all mentioned in post/project. These are quality choices in 22LR and 25 ACP.

Can you identify these rounds? They are all mentioned in post/project. These are quality choices in 22LR and 25 ACP.

Give these rounds a hand.

Give these rounds a hand.


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Probably all test beds will be reused to test the 25 XTP versus the CCI Stinger and Velocitor. More below…. It is also likely the gray colored test bed may be used for 32 and 380 eventually. I may have to tweak design a tad but not much.

The metal test bed will not really need repair and I will shoot the Stinger and Velocitor against it too. I am curious to see how they fare against it. The 32 never really penetrated the metal design. The 25 XTP did as did 380. The XTP made cleanest home through four pieces of steel, two pieces of aluminum, and four vinyl tiles. It is a wonder that round. The 32 was PPU FMJ. The 380 Perfecta FMJ, which I am told is made by Fiocchi.

In fact at first, for data’s sake, I will leave gray design unchanged.

I will elaborate on these photos and my findings eventually. For now, you can read my initial write up for session two and they will start to make more sense.

Analysis of top picture: I could write a lot. But first I want to look at bullet composition in terms of how that composition performs. All FMJs are not the same. See that Crushed bullet? That is a PPU FMJ in 25ACP. The barrier exploded the round, round done.

Look to right, see gold colored  round ? It is misshapen but intact. It is a Fiocchi FMJ in 25 ACP with same grain weight as the PPU. Fiocchi wins. Ballistic gel won’t show you this difference. The difference matters. It matters in terms of penetration.

“Jump” to the Picture below where gold round is “standing” on its point. It is standing because it did what the 22LRs and PPU 25 could not. It started to penetrate Lexan barrier. It penetrates best of the FMJs I have tested, but overall the 25ACP F-XTP outclasses all other 22LRs or 25s in 2.4 inch barrels. It ripped right through this barrier. The 32 ACP did too. I didn’t shoot it with 380.

The lead round you see in picture is the Eley Force. It stayed intact but did not penetrate. It is a good choice for Beretta 21 A.

Truth be told, 25 ACP is best choice for penetration in this parameter set.

It is not close when Fiocchi rounds are used. They blow others away.

I DO NOT RECOMMEND you use PPU 25 ACP as a self defense round. Use it only if you have no better choice.

I would recommend the following 22LRs over PPU 25ACP: Eley Force, CCI Mini Mag CPRN, and CCI Tactical.

I have not tested them against these barriers yet but probably CCIs, Stingers and Velocitors too. Although the XTP will still win overall. I have looked at the numbers and I don’t see anything beating XTP. The Stinger may come close but it will be 3 grains less and about 40 FPS slower.

I am going to test these. We never know for certain until we test. The composition qualities of Stinger will play a role and I won’t know until I test. It is possible one or both could do better than the XTP but I don’t think they will. They might.

I will add more analysis later. I have rebuilt two of the gray test beds, just need to seal them. The top test bed will be pitched and replaced as it is beyond reuse.

I may leave the other two gray test beds alone now for later reference.

I repaired the gray test beds from session 1 22LR tests. I want to go retest today from a I want to shoot deal but I am going to wait, do more analysis, building of test beds and planning for session 3.

I may even test gray test beds against my Beeman in .177 and .22. I can do that at home.

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